Shen Yuan shakes his head, but he's grinning, getting into it, now. "Fine. If we say plain, boiled in water noodles vs plain, untoasted bread, that's its own comparison. But you can't compare either of those to falafel, because falafel is a finished and complex dish. Thus, the noodles we've been arguing about are noodles as a category of dish, not an ingredient, and bread cannot compete."